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Hey, good morning everyone. I can call

to order the June 23rd meeting of the

Madison County Board of Commissioners.

My name is Chris Walls. Would everyone

please introduce themselves?

>> Rodney Scheringer, yes.

>> Brent Shannon.

>> Nick Atkins, prosecutor.

>> Thomas Fleming, sheriff.

>> Ron DeBaun, assistant prosecutor.

>> Kevin Weaver, the engineer's office.

>> Ron Duke.

>> Angie Greeson, clerk.

>> Everyone should have received a copy of

last week's meeting minutes.

Move to approve the minutes and dispense

with the reading.

>> Second.

>> First and a second, any other

discussion?

Hearing none, roll call, please.

>> Mr. Shannon?

>> Yes.

>> Mr. Scheringer?

>> Excuse me?

>> Yes.

>> Please pardon me.

>> Mr. Walls?

>> Yes.

>> Please pardon me. I have a question.

Sheriff.

>> Morning.

>> Morning. How are you, sir?

>> Good morning, have a wonderful weekend.

>> Uh

I don't have any items of business for

you this morning.

>> Thank you.

>> 56 was opened up a while back. We've

been using

our traffic signs around the county.

Trying to

work on some of the problem areas and

having them utilized and

keep them out there.

You guys have any areas of

concern, shoot me your reports. If you

get make sure you

pass it along to me and we'll get those

moved into

a focus area to get some basic

information out there.

Over the weekend, our deputies did

assist the highway patrol with a double

fatality on Route 40.

Quite a scene.

Shame that both of those lost their

lives. Um

Case of wrong-way driver on 40.

Right near the airport.

Both were deceased on the same road in

Springboro.

That's going to take a while to fight

sometimes, keep the road closed, and

get the crash team out there.

Best to get back.

Um

On a a better note, we ended up our

junior deputy academy

uh last week. We had over 50 attend. I

don't know. It was very welcome. We had

many agencies that assisted with that,

instructing our youth and might have an

interest for for

law enforcement or some type of criminal

>> [clears throat]

>> aspect of the career. They really

enjoyed it. So, very welcome by the

community.

Other than that, that's really all I

have all for your honorable board this

morning. And that's

all. You all got anything for me?

>> No, sir. Appreciate it.

Good update.

>> Mr. Allen, please.

>> Morning.

>> Morning. Do I have any other business?

>> You did. Thank you.

>> Right. Anybody else?

>> Just a couple of things. Um

I believe we have a Mid-Ohio on board

meeting today and I'm just going to give

an update on a couple of items.

So, the Springboro Valley property

they are in process of um

getting selecting a realtor to to sell

the property. Initially, they were going

to utilize the CIC to sell it, but they

decided they would rather

move forward with selling on their own.

So, they should be

um in the process [clears throat] of

doing that. So, hopefully that'll be

moving towards the sale

um sooner rather than later. And then

also um

the uh

we talked about the 2942

uh

sewer extension. So they had a

an issue on the easement kind of

accessing it. They had originally bid

the project out and that bid got

accepted

but they didn't have all the easements

in place and so that was a hiccup.

They're

finally in negotiations with that

easement which were a lift station

upgrades on one of the properties that's

necessary to to get that project going

but they think they'll have a resolution

soon [clears throat] and with that

easement they'll be able to move forward

with that project as as planned.

We've been in discussions with EV about

that.

You know the the critical infrastructure

we needed for them to be able to expand

operations so they're hopeful. They just

are looking for a timeline on when the

line

would be in so that they can make their

plans for that. So

Those

are the two biggest updates I have.

>> The mayor's office?

>> Yeah, morning gentlemen.

Double Oak Road I just wanted to make

you aware of the Eagleson Road that was

open last Wednesday.

And as you all know it has Boy Scout

Road

that Friday.

It turned out pretty good so if you get

a chance

check them out. They were mostly built

by our crews

or Boy Scout built by you can buy the

chips and

the spray tar and all those.

The sheriff mentioned the citizens so

yeah.

Um

for our just other road projects

road crews doing a little paving work in

the fairgrounds today

and they'll be going down to Wilson Road

to do some asphalt and wedge paving down

there to put a chip seal

and get that project started to to

operation

six.

So

>> [clears throat]

>> that's

So,

very interesting operation if you

ever feel the interest in it.

I know the job was a MP. Be happy to

share that with you.

All the main pieces parts and

you got to stick all private and so.

I show up any time I can. Okay. So,

that all that operation run through

maintenance in August.

I think.

>> Are you good?

>> This is uh we have started mowing

operations

uh

historically

we have done two rounds of mowing

or they they ditches per year.

Uh

we're trying something

different this year. We

just did a

an an effort to get some

mowing costs that open up our

So, so they look forward to this rather

than working in the summer.

Uh

I don't know if I'm going to mention

this or not, but we talked 40 or so

miles

of the ditch.

We we

contracted with a spraying company to

spray growth inhibitor

and a broadleaf control chemical.

Uh

this is a company we you know put in

touch with from All Ways County.

All Ways has run some really nice So, I

think it's making us all really happy.

They did a good resource for something

here in the state.

It's a bit of a pilot project.

We're trying to see if we can

with that growth inhibitor we will be

able to stick it to reduce our mowing

down to one round.

Uh

timing is key. You got to put it while

it's you know the grass is still short.

Uh so, those ditches the intention will

will to skip the first mowing of it.

Mow them on the second mowing.

Uh

and we'll see how it how [clears throat]

it works out for us this year.

Um

What we run into was our ditch crew

basically between May and then and

September they're tying up all the

ditches.

Uh by the time they get over 200 mi

uh

>> [clears throat]

>> twice.

Um

so a few things with that

uh

costs money to do that and

those crews are dedicated to mowing

during that time. It's difficult to get

other ditching crew mowing or repair

work done during that time as well. So

try something different on a smaller

scale this year, see how it works and

and uh

Um

So that's just our plan for next year.

>> But mowing I mean you you're throwing

dead grass on top of it.

And then when you spray it, is it going

to reach the live plant underneath?

>> So we would spray it before but it's

not.

>> So you spray it and then you mow it.

>> Yes, so you had to spray it before you

mow it people.

Uh

grass got that very tall just over the

end of growing season.

To your point, yeah, you don't want to

spray after you mow because then you're

>> But you said you had to have it shorter.

>> That's right, yeah.

Yeah. So

we sprayed it sprayed it before the

grass was tall.

It worked out better.

So you have those ditches will see you a

mowing

uh

like maybe August.

Not spraying.

Like that. So

>> Got it.

>> They got it all right.

Question's coming. We're good.

>> Thank you sir. Thank you.

>> I'll ask the deputy.

Did they ask for me?

>> No.

>> Very good.

>> Dennis

>> Sir.

>> How are you?

>> Great. How are you doing, sir?

>> I'm doing well.

You have some updates for us here?

>> Yes, I do. So,

uh

the meeting we had with the public was

on the 18th. We had about almost about

50 attendees there. So, it was a good

really good turnout.

Uh

you know, the whole time we discussed on

the zoning brains, you know, about

talking about the data centers, you

know, what kind of development stairs we

want to put in place.

Uh so, we went over that and we went

over ADU. There was a great uh slideshow

that uh company presented that really

explained zoning, how it works, the

overlay district, and how that works,

and then a few things that we talked

about with the ADU was additional

dwelling unit again, also data centers,

different uh

uh landscaping

information.

Uh we also talked about the comp plan we

had up online.

Uh there was one person there with a

little difference on

what the uh zoning should be for overlay

district I mean, for the comp plan, but

once again, it won't happen until they

pull down that zoning. So,

it really didn't matter, but that's

something that we brought attention to

the land use and zoning

town should be so they're aware of it.

Uh also, we let people know that the

slide is also in the web page. So, they

can click on the little button.

So, it's the dates the 18th and the

20th. You click on that, then you click

on read more, and then the the video

will pop up and they can watch the

video.

Those who didn't attend, they can also

see that.

>> Very good.

>> And we are gathering a lot of

information.

I don't know who you guys mean by ADU to

us.

There were some questions that we

gave to the public.

They can

answer these questions. You know, if

they ask questions, they can fill that

out and turn it in cuz we did get a a

large amount of uh information back.

So, once we did that,

uh after the 25th uh meeting,

uh we plan on hopefully finalizing the

resolution.

There um a lot of things that

as of right now, I'm still looking over

the resolution. There's some

stuff that needs to be changed. Um

things with the music.

So, you know, that's one of the reasons

why we need to come along cuz I do

there's a lot of things that was on it.

People want to ask a question.

But, it will be done on our web page for

everybody. The whole public can see it.

But, all board members had it

six [clears throat] uh well, way before

the board last month or so.

So, all the board members had it.

They've been looking through it. So,

like I said, there's always changes and

catching stuff. So, you know, by

by the time the whole public hearing's

done, we should have a nice, hopefully a

really good resolution that will be

final. We place that on the web page.

>> Very good.

It's a process. We're getting there.

>> It is a process, but it's a good process

because think 24.5 years. Yeah. That's a

long time in things. So, after this is

over,

plan on every Within every year, we're

going to take a section. Nice section to

take back. So, we already know that the

CU is a big one. So, that's probably the

first one we're going to hit first. And

then, we just keep on going chapter by

chapter and and if something needs to

change, which you know, we go through

the whole process and you know, we we go

with the people and we do the process

again. If not, we move on to the next

one.

>> Very good.

Thanks for the update, sir. Any

questions for Dennis?

Appreciate it, sir.

>> Thank you. You know what? Have a good

day. Thank you, everyone.

>> Amy, over to you, please.

>> [clears throat]

>> Resolution approving the payment of

invoices for the Madison County auditor.

>> So moved.

>> Second.

>> We have a first and a second. Any

discussion?

There are none. Roll call, please.

>> Mr. Shay?

>> Yes.

>> Dr. Sneha Kushwaha?

>> Yes.

>> Mr. Watts?

>> Yes.

>> Resolution authorizing an increase in

appropriations for the Madison County

Treasurer's office.

>> So moved.

>> Second.

>> We have a first and a second. Any

discussion?

There are none. Roll call, please.

>> Mr. Shay?

>> Yes.

>> Dr. Sneha Kushwaha?

>> Yes.

>> Mr. Watts?

>> Yes.

>> Call me at

>> That's it.

>> That's it.

>> We keep

>> [clears throat and cough]

>> Yeah, we'll recess till 9:00.

>> [clears throat]

>> What are we doing?

>> We were saying the same thing. They

don't happen earlier in the day.

>> If you find there, we'll be fine now

there.

So, what you lay with the materials?

>> Yeah.

bigger is better.

>> So, I closed it too and it didn't open

back up until

>> Yeah, I read it.

>> Somebody sent it to me and I thought,

you know,

>> that's weird. Yeah, something stood very

>> but now I mean I probably won't then

I'll miss the world of God

the world. I hate the world. I love the

little

>> interior 19

and four beds.

>> Huh?

>> Makes no difference.

>> Yeah.

next Sunday.

>> All right, it is now 9:00 a.m. It's the

time we had set aside to discuss the

Darby watershed project. I turn it over

to all of you. Welcome.

Thanks for being here.

>> Hello. I'll just lead off real quick.

Yeah, please go.

>> So,

u these folks are with the senior

purpose program with OBNR.

Bob Gable, Heather

Mike.

Yeah. Um, anytime anytime I do work

within 1,000 ft of Big Derby Creek or

the scenic portion of Little Derby

Creek, which is rule and south or is it

BL City and South willing to

work with them to make sure we're uh

we're we're meeting the requirements of

that. They've been great to work with.

But one of the things that we've been

talking about is

with the development pressure we're

seeing

uh in the county. Um

we're trying to we're trying to gear

policy towards things that aren't

necessarily going to negatively impact

the big government, right? Um but but

what is that? And uh so they've been

working on some uh been doing some uh

some studies uh to help give us

snatching data so that we we have some

some concrete things to work with as we

we share our policy. So, um, I encourage

them to come in and just share with you

what they've been working on and with

the intention of being on a conversation

type thing as they

progress with the process.

>> Thank you, sir.

So, hey, Mike is loading up our

presentation.

I'm Bob Gable. I currently serve as the

assistant chief of the division of

nature and preserves as well as the

senior program manager within the

department of natural resources. And um

as Mr. D said, we have Heather Dy with

us who's our center regional senior

program manager and Mike McN is our

Derby wershed program manager. So what

we want to talk about here is just some

some recent work that we've been doing

in the DR wershed to try to evaluate

potential threats of associated with

urbanization and expanding

um impervious surface and and future

development within the the Darby

watershed. So

why flip through the slides here? Right.

Okay. So this is just a little

background. Um we have 17 designated

wild and recreational rivers across the

state. There you can see the map shows

where they're all located. Sweet little

derby of the 17 are are two of the the

best quality rivers that we have in the

state. The idea behind the scenic rivers

program is we identify some of the

remaining highest quality streams in the

state designate them as wild city and

recreational rivers in order to filter

communities and long-term conservation.

So of this 17 big old dirt and creeks

are are two of the best of the best so

to speak. Next.

So this is a dirt creek waterhed. A

little some statistics on it size

location there. Uh as you can see the

land use map there on the right. Land

use is still predominantly agriculture.

That's kind of that background. I'll

call that beige color I guess. uh seeing

the east encroaching just into the edge

of the wershed that's the whole ranch

run south wershed those big derby it's

along the eastern boundary area of the

city of Columbus and that's where most

of the urbanization is currently

occurring so it's a smaller subar shade

only 37 square miles of the total next

this is what uh story is all about the

high biological diversity of big tree

over species of fish have been reported

from the system. We currently have five

state endangered fish species. Probably

the most remarkable are the freshwater

muscles. 45 species known from the

system with five federally endangered

and three federally threatened species.

So one one species of club shell muscle

the last survivity

of plumwood between plumwood 42 bridge

crossing.

Next,

just some of the other um

classifications that have been signed to

big derby state national both state and

national scener I forgot to mention it's

a national syn as well and these two EPA

classifications these are two things

that we're going to talk about a little

bit more exceptional warm water habitat

outstanding state resource water those

are classifications that are given to

the river systems by the Ohio EPA as as

the name implies exceptional warm water

habitat again very high quality

high biological diversity, high water

quality. So, Durbans get that aquatic

life use designation and again

outstanding state resource water,

another very high classification

reflecting just these outstanding

characteristics and that's an

anti-gradation tier and it's used to

govern the discharge of pollutants to to

different river systems. So that's so

this is the this is the concern um

changing land use from

a to urban and impervious surface. So

you get this parking lots, buildings,

rooftops, that's what generates the

impervious surface and some of the

impacts associated with impervious

surface. Number one, you get you lay

that impervious surface down and rain

water doesn't have to go to soak in the

ground anymore. So you get this

decreased groundwater recharge,

accelerated rate of runoff. So you got

all the storm water that's going on the

roads, parking lots going into storm

sewer system getting piped to the river.

Uh that causes changes both

hydraologically in the stream system. So

that's your that's your flash flooding.

Get all this water all of a sudden

stream comes up goes down up and down

with these you know these big raintorms

we have. And you also get increased

non-point source pollution from the

material that's caught on the land on

the parks and the asphalt. So this is

kind of this photo here is an example of

what we call kind of messed up

improvement stream. Um the rain force

blockers been removed. You see the

stream banks are eroding due to that

flashiness. Those changes in hydraology

channels kind of deepening there.

Somebody's dumped some concrete rubble

up the side and tried to press snip the

road. So that little stream that's kind

of like a messed up the water and

stream. That's not really want to see in

the dark water shedding.

So what we did to try to start

addressing this issue is the first step

was we want to get a better

understanding of kind of the condition

of big old Darby in relation to other

rivers in the in this region. So we

initiated this integration

prioritization system study or IPS. So

all those little dots on that map, those

are collection locations where this data

over here on the left, biological, fish,

bugs, muscles, chemical, water

chemistry, stream habitat, land use data

has been collected for the last 45 years

predominantly by Ohio EPA. This uh study

area here is this is the upper soda

river basin and the areas in the pink

over there are part of the upper

mossingum

um basin. the the coasting north fork of

the licking river. So you have this huge

data set with all this information

and you put it into the analysis and run

it through the analysis and what it does

is based on how all these streams

perform related to each other it gives

you what we call stressor thresholds

which are pollutant maximums or limits

that stream can withstand before it

begins to show signs of degradation.

So these stressor thresholds, these blue

maximums,

uh we start with over 300, the suite of

300. Our consultants worked it down to

100 stress thresholds that they felt

were most critical to being able to

guard our group. And I should mention,

by the way, our our consultant on this

was the Midwest Bodiversity Institute,

MBI, who we we funded the study through.

and they produced a a list of stress

progressions for us and that was part of

the phase one of the study. So all this

information is designed to give us tools

so we can share with local

jurisdictions, local governments and try

to advocate for the conservation of

being able to increase to raise

awareness as to how sensitive it is,

what these threats are. And then as part

of phase two, which Mike will talk about

here in a minute, we're going to try to

develop some methodologies to help local

communities take measures to protect old

Derby if they wish. Uh none of this is

regulatory. This is all voluntary. So,

you know, we're doing all this work to

generate this information and then we're

coming out to ask you all the local

communities to help us in the

conservation of this resource um by

taking uh actions on your own at the

local level. I mentioned phase one's

been completed. Actually, phase two is

now pretty much complete. be received

our first draft and we're starting our

internal review and we'll be able to

share information related to phase two

hopefully by the end of the summer.

Okay, so these are an example of some of

the stressor thresholds I talked about

um see in the table there different

categories

nutrients

um

catchment land use so there's impervious

surface what we talked about big threat

urban development

um physical habitat in the top so these

are the things that we're worried about

just a sample those Um the three that

are highlighted I'm sure you're all

familiar with the Darby cord land use

plan years ago when they first developed

that they looked at three stressors that

they used to develop that Derby core

land use plan and those three were

highlighted the three that they used. So

they based that land use plan and the

development of that on those three

parameters total phosphorus nitrate and

total suspended solids. So now we have a

whole suite of uh more stress thresholds

that we can use to develop protective

measures basically. So it'll be more

accurate, more comprehensive.

Next.

And ultimately the stressors are

measured by stream biology. That's what

they they're based on. How does the how

does the stream biology react to these

different stressors? That tells us the

story. Derby has a lot of rare

endangered species in it because it has

outstanding water and it has outstanding

stream habitat. If it did, those species

wouldn't be there 100. Same thing with

outstanding stream habitat that might

bolt there. Yeah, I mentioned 100 stress

thresholds and we've found and they

apply throughout the entire year. Again,

that total on the right there is another

kind of poor example example of a poor

quality streaming system, a small

streaming system.

And I talked about these. Here's the um

these are the anti-defination tiers and

the aquatic life uses that I mentioned

earlier. The two I mentioned with the

outstanding state resource water and

exceptional habitat.

These are

uses for um poor quality stream systems.

So we have these stressor thresholds

for these different categories of

wildlife uses and um anti-dereeation

tutors and as you can imagine the

stressor thresholds

get higher as the stream quality goes

down.

Next. And then we also have these stress

thresholds broken out into um categories

based on the drainage area of the u the

stream system. So we have stress

thresholds for small streams headwater

size streams and this is a sample of

sample table some of the structure

thresholds results we found. So

go ahead and click on one. There you can

see in red. There you go. So those are

the two categories that we're in for

making a little darker treat. So if you

look at the top one percent imperousness

for outstanding state resource water, it

says you can have 2 2.8% impervious

surface in the water shed and still

maintain that anti-gradation tier. And

for exceptional habitat, you can have

3.6% 6% impervious surface in the water

shed and still maintain that level of

aquatic license or that level of aquatic

performance.

So we took the um sorry

so what I was going to mention we took

our we took our frame slide out I guess

we should look at him but

that level of imperousness is different

than some other levels of imperviousness

you might see. We we can discuss that a

little more detail if you wish and

explain that. Um

I'll just go over this real quick. I'm

let Mike talk to you. So again, hit hit

our circle there, Mike. So that's that

corner up there. This is um

fish index. The measurement of the fish

community that EPA uses to evaluate

rivers and streams is called an IBI.

Um the exceptional one more habitat used

to been talking about the scores of 50

to get that Derby averages 55 and

there's several sites in in Derby that

have the perfect score was 60 and big

old DY there's only been maybe a dozen

sites across the state of Ohio in the

history of this biological monitoring

that have achieved the 60 and half of

Big D. So that little corner that little

red circle's at um those are the those

are the IVI scores. That's where we're

at for Derby. Again, we're in that very

high

utmost level of quality streaming. So,

oh, you want to go ahead and take over?

>> Go ahead.

>> We plan on sharing this.

>> You you gathered information like you

said on the nitrites in the water. Yes.

Am I right?

>> So, you've been doing it for 45 years.

EPA have. Yes. Are they going up? How

they come down?

>> But it depends on where you're at. And

>> I mean, you don't take an average like

>> depends on changing land use. We Yeah,

EPA might have an average. I don't know

what that is. Uh that's going up or

down. Some water sheds. I would say it's

going up and others it's going down

based on land use and changing land use.

I know that's not really a definitive

answer, but that's not a question I can

really definitively answer without

>> well looking more deeply into

>> primarily agricultural land and

everybody wants to blame, you know, the

fertilizers and this and that and that's

what I was curious as the way we do

agriculture are changing how much is in

the water because I know in other parts

of the state that's a big issue. Right.

>> Right.

>> So that that's why I asked the question.

This is this is the thing I always like

to when this question comes up

especially when we're talking to people

in the urban landscape like towards

Columbus. What about egg? What about

egg? What about all the egg derby? This

is a point I always like to bring up. It

probably irritates them. But you have to

remember that you know Derby became what

it is today this outstanding state

resource water. high quality water way

with all these very endangered species

in what predominant land use

agricultural land use wershed.

So just

a very very basic anecdotal level that

says something about the agricultural

lands in my opinion.

>> So it's better.

>> Yeah, it's better.

>> Well, that's why I'm asking.

>> Yeah, we got we got to where we are

derby with an egg agricultural landings.

So it's it's worked.

>> That's my point.

>> Now is there any problems with it? Yeah,

there's problems with it, but it's not

the big problem. The big problem we

face.

>> Thank you,

>> Commissioner. Well, I think we're we'll

be able to get into that a little bit in

phase two of the study, and I think Mike

will talk about that in a moment about

trying to

>> is that going to take 45 years, too, or

like that's a long period of time, you

know.

>> I'll talk for 45 years.

>> Put that on our desk.

>> I probably took I probably took too much

time. I'm notorious for that.

>> Job security 45 years on this phone.

>> Hey.

>> Okay. Yeah, please.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. All right. So, um we ali as Bob

had mentioned, our consultant created a

dashboard um that we can share with you,

but we're still sort of being developed

with the phase 2 stuff coming in now.

And what this is going to do is that

we'll be a you'll be able to uh the end

users will be able to go in here and

pick out specific types of information

that is based here locally um and kind

of determine whether or not um or what's

going on specifically in this part of

the Darby Creek wershed. Um, this will

also provide technical report options

and summaries for local jurisdictions to

know what's going on specifically in

this part of uh the watershed and we as

ODNR will obviously be able to assist in

sort of interpreting some of this

information for you as well. That's

another part of what we'll be doing.

I'll talk to you about that here in a

little bit as well. Um, these are just

charts that are part of the dashboard.

kind of gives an idea of um what

different parts of the wershed and what

you can expect uh it to look like um

when it comes to summarizing this

information for the heroin. So

um it's also um we're continuing also to

input information. This there's a muscle

survey that is going on. It's probably

the first one that we've had in how long

for for

>> 2017 last one was

>> about 2017. So, it's been, you know,

nine years. Uh, there's a very

well-renowned muscle expert, Mr.

Hogarth, Dr. Hogarth, who's doing this

for us. And we're really interested in

if there's anything going on in the Hell

Ranch wershed because that's where the

biggest impacts that we see in the Derby

right now. And we're also going to

develop this uh report which will also

be available for public consumption as

well. Please.

Um so uh with uh something else that

this phase 2 is going to provide to us

as information when we get it into a

format that's going to be more

interpretable by you know uh local

jurisdictions is specific areas that are

threatened specific areas that are

susceptible to whatever issues or

whatever um we're seeing going on in

that area and other places where there's

going to be that are already impacted

that can be restored. And so it's going

to give us a different uh opportunity

for us to kind of see things

differently. A lot of this is going to

come from different land use and

different corresponding issues that come

along with different types of land uses,

urbanization and other development kind

of come out uh into the wershed a little

bit more. And the other thing that's

really cool about this is that it gets

us down into more of a micro level

instead of a macro level. when Bob was

talking about this concept of frink um

which is basically taking a fractional a

fractional approach to imperous cover.

The old way they used to do it they um

used to do is they would take a

satellite image they would look at an

area and if a certain amount of it was

impervious they would say well the whole

thing is impervious. But now what

they're able to do is drill that down

instead of just saying the whole thing

that they're looking at when this aerial

photograph is impervious. they'll be

able to actually take specific

percentages out of it and say, well,

maybe 25% of it's impervious, but the

other is not. It could be some other

things. So, it's being able to drill us

down a little bit more to get better

data and so we're able to also provide

the information. The other thing I want

to talk about real quick is also the

subwhed.

I know this is a lot of just numbers. A

huck 12 scale that means nothing to me,

but I understand what it means. A hawk

is called a hydraologic unit. And in

streams, the the smaller the number

means the larger the drainage area is.

So when we say that we're at the hawk 12

scale, that can get us down into a very

small a smaller amount of area that

we'll be able to get better data on so

we can know what's going on there

instead of making larger

generalizations. So this is going to

provide us with more uh specific

information to spec to specific areas.

So that would be really cool and it also

obviously will allow communities to

explore sites that are closest to them

when it comes to development or making

different decisions.

>> So yes, can I interject? I think what

will happen is

well to your question about um nitrogen

we'll say all right for these subwater

sheds in Madison County what are the

stressors that are popping up here um

and are they going over that um stressor

threshold and also you know which

stressors are most important so if if

nitrogen is a major stressor in Madison

County we'll be able to to assess Um

>> on on the Hill Brock uh I cross it twice

a day when I go to work.

>> Which isn't which isn't a very big where

I cross over there is just a ditch. It

looks like no bigger than a ditch. And

you said that's the area where there's a

lot of pressure which is true, right?

Because all of Galloway and all that's

in there. And so but they're still

building homes like crazy. They're still

decreasing the pvious part of the soil.

So, what do you do there? Since that

seems to me, because you mentioned it a

few times already, that that's a major

contributor of poor quality of water in

the dark shed. What do we do with that?

>> So, I think um you know, you popping in.

I think we're gonna get into this to the

rest of the slides, but with after this

report um is finalized, we have funding,

but our um hired Mike to help get

communities together to talk about just

through that.

>> Basically, it would be on the developer

if they want to help or not.

>> Yeah. So, we're so we're also we have

some um grant funding. We're trying to

hire our consultant team right now to

help us put together a guide, if you

will, on best man practices that can be

implemented in urbanizing areas to

minimize the impacts of the things

you're talking about. So, we're talking

aboutration

features located throughout the

subdivision, better site design, more

open space, less impervious cover, uh

enhanced storm water management. In some

cases, maybe the storm water management

needs to go beyond what is called for in

the Ohio EPA permit. Okay. So, an extra

treatment weapon beyond the final

treatment that's currently required in

the peritting. So, we're going to, you

know, our goal is to get a

cookbook, you want to call it that,

these different BMPs that we can share

with local jurisdictions.

I I get that but but on that particular

area I think we're a little bit behind

because the development's already done.

>> So I think in that area because they do

have the accord they have really some

very strict rules about managing storm

water and stream buffers and they are

adding more impervious cover. you were

correct, but they are also tightening

down on some of those um policies. And

so um I think um I know the Madison

County um zoning ordinance is being uh

revised right now and I think some of

those policies could get baked into that

type of zoning here as well. We're

making comments to that effect. Um, but

I think part of the part of the I think

what we hope to achieve is, you know,

you're absolutely right about being

concerned about what's happening there

or there as opposed to what's happening

here in your community. So, I think

having communities talk to each other

and acknowledge those needs and and talk

about um what can be done across

jurisdictional boundaries is is what

we've heard is is really important.

>> We're not quite we're not quite behind

yet. Um, so you talk about going into

the west side of Franklin County or any

way you work. So, you know, Hell Branch

goes into big garbage above 71. 71 goes

into Big D. So, if you get down to that

last piece of Hell Branch right there

before it goes into Big D, it's still

attaining except for the Walmart. So,

it's still it's still as good as Big D.

But now, if you go all the way up into

the headquarters of Hell Branch of Hail,

the Clover Groth and Hamilton run, those

sections are impacted. So what that

tells us right now is that little stream

system is absorbing those negative

impacts to the point where it's

recovering

to exceptional warm habitat essentially

is buffering big derby.

>> Yeah. With dilution, right? I mean when

it hits them big dilute

>> it get it's going to get to a point

sooner that's going to cease to exist

and then big derby is going to begin to

show signs of degradation below the

complex the hell range. So, we're not

we're not too late yet, but I mean, we

got to you're right going to hurt. We

got to try to get this information out

in front of people that can make

decisions.

>> I think but in that but in that

community, they are already with the

amendment to the board that is happening

right now. They are requiring any new

building to go way beyond the minimum

requirements on the engine run. And

they've done a ton of stream

restoration. So I think they're they're

trying they're

they're not really working.

>> And if I can add to some of some of the

kind of public policy and it's cause and

effect. You can't research and effect

until the cause happens. And so you know

in 45 years of research and just any

changes regulatory environment there has

to be kind of

the trigger to study. And you know, some

of it's good public policy. So, you're

making sure you're not over kind of

regulating at the onset. You see what

happens, identify if there's issues, and

if there's issues, then you kind of try

to set it.

>> I guess the reason that I said all that

was because I don't want, let's say,

that part that is not so good to

influence the rest of it.

>> Yeah. We don't even

>> Yeah. get some I mean we might be doing

good in Madison County, they're doing

bad there, but if the rules made for

that that oversees the whole watershed,

then I think that's not a fair

>> that's that's the only thing we've heard

is we've traveled around and gave these

press that's what I'm thinking. Yeah.

>> Yeah. We've heard that local

jurisdictions have told us they want to

see everybody on the same page, you

know, everybody implementing the same

measures to protect our which makes

sense. um you know some communities

could look at that as an unfair

advantage if we got more regulations

than the township next to us then the

developers are going to go there. So

we've heard that concern as well and

we're going to work to that end as best

we can. The other thing you got to

remember is Madison County is literally

it's in the heart of I mean it's the

hardwood derby little derby flows right

through Mass County and then you get big

derby. So, it's a it's a big important

piece in the plasma. Um, so it's it's I

mean it's very significant to the

long-term conservation.

I'll be quiet

>> and I'm I'm interested in these actual

practices that can be implemented that

we might be able to put in in policy,

but but if we're going to do that for me

to be comfortable with it, I don't want

it to be something where like, you know,

we think this is going to help. I want

it to be,

>> you know,

>> I want it to be a proven back thing

>> that, okay, if we put this in, we

require this in our zoning or we require

this infiltration thing in our storm

water rig. Okay, we know

we know the positive impact it's going

to be. And of course, you know, everyone

being on the same page, we know how that

how how challenging that can be. I'm

also real always wary of outside

control, right? So I, you know, and

again, this is just me personally, but

there's things we can do locally

without, you know, subjecting ourselves

to, you know, some some other

group controlling entity that would be

fine.

>> Yeah. Um I I wanted to um also going

backwards. Um one of the things I I I

was I was thinking about listening to

everybody talk is um you know a lot of

times being elected officials people

come to you and present you with

problems and say we need to do this and

we want you to help us fix it. What

we're trying to do is take this

information collectively of everything

that's been going on in the Derby

watershed for all those years, kind of

summarize it to the best of our ability,

and then take it a step further instead

of just sharing that information with

you, provide you with solutions as to we

think would work in order to make sure

that human progression and environmental

integrity can coexist together. And so

we think that these best management

practices if implemented will help us

achieve that goal. And so the other part

to this is getting to your point is we

can't one singular community can't say

yeah we're going to do this uh without

everyone else getting involved and say

we're going to do the same thing. It's

got to be a collective you know

opportunity for everybody to do this

together. And that's the other thing

we're trying to do is they brought me on

board to help with this is to really try

to bring the communities together, have

discussions about what works, what

doesn't work, so everybody's feeling

more comfortable and on the same page.

So, it's kind of a comprehensive

approach that we're doing here to help

uh just make sure that this resource is

here for other generations. I like to

think about it as, you know, a relic

from the past that's in the present and

we want to keep it here that way. And as

I know it's a part of, you know, Hudson

County as it is for the other counties,

it's been here a really long time, way

longer than the rest of us. And we just

want to do the best possible job that we

can to ensure that it continues to be

that way. So that's kind of just like

how I look at it all comprehensively

together. Um, we'll go we'll we'll uh

wrap it up here pretty quick. Maybe we

can just keep Yeah, just keep going.

There's a couple of things that I think

that we can just get to. Um and maybe we

can just go to um the uh slides where we

had the survey stuff. Yeah.

>> Well, maybe it's kind of important to

talk about this just briefly. Uh this

study was funded by uh different

organizations here. Uh Julia's group,

Madison Soil Water Conservation District

and Nature Conservancy of Franklin and

some of these others here uh all chipped

in to uh get this because we think it's

going to help. is going to be a great

tool for us to share with different

communities. Um,

we'll also have I think that like um

this this slide here is about me kind of

because they hired me to uh to help

steer this and to help guide this uh

forward. And I think um the consultant

that we're hiring, we're hiring in real

time or request for proposals literally

out on the street right now. We just had

a meeting. Uh we got more people from

different like I don't know 12 different

consulting firms from across the state

and maybe even beyond interested in

working on this. We're um anticipating

getting some really good proposals. Um

we're excited about this and we'll hit

the ground running as soon as possible.

Um so we'll continue as this with this.

We're going to keep meeting with

different communities uh small and

large. Um and eventually we'll have a

meeting where we can try to bring

everybody together and talk about some

stuff. U more to come on that

potentially maybe um sometime early fall

or in the fall. And then um I think the

last couple things I want to talk about

is

uh I mean having a healthy ecosystem, a

healthy stream is beneficial for every

community for all for all these reasons

right here. Um, and then, uh, I really

want to talk about this real quick. When

we met with Brian, he was very gracious

to sit down with us. We had a really,

really fantastic meeting. Uh, you got

yourself a great a great engineer here,

you know. Um, he mentioned to us that

it's really important for Madison

County. You can pay me later. Um, the,

uh, the, um, the importance of it

maintaining its rural aesthetic and it

rural appeal. And I wanted to share this

with you because this is from uh Union

County. They share that same sentiment

and I wanted to make sure that you we

that you all understand that we

understand that and that also that this

is a shared sentiment across you know

different different areas of the wershed

as well. Preserve the rural area. make

sure that uh you know farmland and the

rural feel to it is still there and also

to make sure that we have healthy

ecosystems and and scenic beauty. And

then the last thing I'll say here is

this is another one here from plane city

and they have something is very similar

to that and very sentiment. We know that

people wanted to kind of maintain the

way that it is right now and one of the

best things that we can do is make sure

that the derby's staying as it has been.

We're all those years back behind us and

it will be in front of us. So that's

pretty much it. Uh I know we've taken up

a lot of your time, but if anybody else

has questions, we can answer them for

you. Thank you. Appreciate that

presentation. Gentlemen, questions.

Questions?

>> Yeah. Oh, sorry. I don't have any good

news that you brought them to

you. Uh so you mentioned about kind of

getting all the communities together and

going around to a lot of different Yes.

I think that's something that will be

really imperative in making sure it's

successful and trying to figure out the

right ways to um because you know like

commissioners is just talking about

different communities involvement this

affects other communities and how they

kind of so being on the same page but

also making sure that um you know

communities aren't at a competitive

disadvantage whenever it comes to

development just because of like a

specific line or thing that more of that

capability as a community on the

development side of things to um

make sure that we're protecting the

wershed but not saying no development at

all.

>> Right. No, I don't think that's anything

that we're saying whatsoever. We just

want to figure out that wherever that

sweet spot is where we can have

development so human progression can

move forward but also make sure that we

upheld or we make the environment is

also prioritized so we can do that

together. We're just trying to figure

out how to do that.

>> This is all it is all voluntary.

there's other things, you know, other

regulations that are not, but as far as

we're talking about,

but um I think every um every community

that we've presented this to has voiced

that same sentiment. So, we we hear that

loud and clear. So, I I hoping that you

know by bringing people together

agreement to some of those things.

>> So, this is really groundbreaking. I

mean this is the first time to my

understanding it's ever been done

obviously with the DNR and seekers

program for 35 years. So I mean this is

the first time we've ever tried to

embark on something like this and of

course Derby is one of our highest

priorities for conservation

was a great place to try it out see you

know we have to see if we can figure out

puzzle. So we have some information here

for you

>> also to the other co-workers the spouse

>> that's because Bob grew up here remember

I'm from Madison County

Westerson.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. I've been associated with this

river all my life.

>> I did many times. Big end.

>> So phase two that that already started

or is that going to start and how long

is that? And is that what will generate

the actionable items, the engineers

points that you can say there's

confidence that these things work?

>> Yes, that that's what we've got. So

we've got um phase two draft phase 2

study from NBI now.

>> Okay. So that'll that'll be part of the

results and going forward. And then the

work we get done by the consultant as

far as the BMP development of BMPPS

that'll all get rolled into this package

we could hopefully give to people like

Ryan and alleviate his fear.

>> That's the department that's up for an

RFP right now.

>> Yes.

>> Okay. And then when is that supposed to

be completed

that work?

>> Didn't we put Did we put a deadline on

the end of the year? We did.

Yes, we did.

>> I think light of fire.

>> That's not fast enough, right? That's

enough.

>> We thought it was pretty aggressive.

We're wondering if the consultants could

beat that. That's what we put on it.

>> Well, I mean challenging trying to line

this stuff up with our processes, but

>> I have some extra information here.

Anybody like that? I'd be happy. We

anticipate of um presenting the the full

results of the IPS study including phase

two in September and I think we'd like

to roll into

that planning straight from there. Some

pieces of it we'd like to have done by

the end of the year and those are the

more technical

um storm water treatment related pieces

because we know so much is happening

right now. want to make that really help

you as quickly as possible, but I I

anticipate that um other will continue

a little bit more about what your work

is and where you're saying it's it's all

voluntary and and the other work that's

being done.

>> So, I know it's a little it's a little

confusing. Um, sorry to turn those

natural the uh I mean there are

regulations out there that the that are

mostly EPA um regulations that's um the

storm water management. It's a EPA

regulation. There's also some new

regulations that are with the sewer

expansion and that's the 208 plan

right and that that addresses um

protecting sensitive resources like

riparian zones wetlands woodlands how

>> that's a good question and I feel like

we need to develop um fact sheet that we

should develop I think what we are

advocating for are things that might um

be in addition to that.

>> Okay.

>> Um because the the storm water permit um

it it is useful in

controlling some pieces of the storm

water puzzle but not all of them.

>> Sure.

>> So I think these are voluntary things

that could go beyond it. that would

include using um specific types of

manhandling practices that really focus

on getting um water into the ground

instead of discharging to our streets.

So the infiltration was the term we use

and the benefit is that you don't have

as much running off to the river. It

helps with water control pollution. It

also helps to recharge groundwater and

we have a lot of very thirsty industry

and people um moving into our community.

So I think those are all long-term

benefits along with building green space

that people are looking.

Does that make does that make sense?

>> It doesn't. It doesn't. I I don't want

to take up too much time, but I I did

look through the next three dash sound

like what you're

Right. And so I just would like to fully

understand the picture of what's the

voluntary component, what's the

regulatory component, what the

jurisdictions are doing.

>> Sure.

>> To ensure that all those because it

sounds very similar. You're not there's

no specifics on this yet because y'all

are developing it.

>> But the 3-3 is that being developed or

is that part of this or is it 33? 33 is

is already out there and it is it's in

the the revised zoning code

>> but it's very light on details

>> and it's it's mostly about um a

sensitive resource protection so

woodlands wetlands riparian zones we

also agree that those are important

things um I think ours may be a little

heavier on managing the water that comes

off the run um but Yeah. Okay. I I would

be yes, I'd be happy to meet with you

and talk about it further. Um and I very

much understand your confusion and I

think it's that's something that we need

to work on is making sure like

>> clarifying what's required and what go

beyond that which agency is doing it.

>> So that's a those are very clear

questions.

>> Okay. I um let me

>> thank you.

>> Thank you so much for your story. Thank

you. Thank you very much for your time.

Appreciate it. Thank you.

Morning.

How are you today? Good. Good. I'm doing

well. Thank you.

Come up front.

It's fine.

>> Morning.

>> I'm well. How are you?

>> Good.

>> Everybody else from

>> um Amanda is um responsible for all of

our tax abatement programs. uh TIFF,

CRAAS, EV agreements, all that kind of

thing. Um this um

oh, we're almost done has has gotten

really exploded. I mean, we've we've got

quite a few new large agreements and

we're struggling to uh get the

information that we need. So, we wanted

to discuss that process with you. I know

she has more detail in us about that.

Um so my main concern is just like

addressing communication um

responsibilities

um implementation coordination that kind

of thing. Um before I feel like the we

had the easy easier right like really

best like simple out of the tiny bowl

you know one building one obviously

they're getting a lot more complicated

um a lot more tedious larger a lot more

parcels involved so on and so forth and

that's new to the county which is great

um also new to me as far as that duty

goes um so with Mary reserve um and

Plank City and London Gateway. Um and

I'm sure more to come as far as like

more complicated ones. I'm just I'm kind

of I'm I don't want to say flailing a

little bit, but I'm still learning. Um

and I feel like not everybody's on board

with what is expected um in my office or

you know what I need in order for me to

um manage and you know implementation um

those kind of things. Um, what kind of

brought this

to a fruit was JIC. I got a phone call

last week from uh Marty Brown at JIC and

we were just we just so happened to be

talking about new construction so on so

forth and they have a new um addition

out there to the building and we just

went through picking up new

construction. So, we've got the

appointments that come in. Um, we send

out our listers during the spring and

usually through what, like June usually.

Um, and then we have to then pick it up

to tax it or whatever the case may be.

But when it comes to my tiffs and my

CRAAS, um, I have to know, you know,

percentage, the the years on it, what

exactly what buildings are included,

what closures are included. Um and so

with JIC with the new addition, I picked

it up 100% complete according to as of

1126.

Um the existing voting that it's

attached to has a ST abatement and a CRA

on it. So usually how agreements would

work is anything additional, you know,

gets included in that TI CRA. Um this is

one prior to my time. This is kind of

one of those maintaining, you know, I

just managed to maintain it. This was

prior to maintaining things over with

this particular one. Um, but speaking

with her, she informed me there's an

actual a new EZ agreement on the new

addition.

Um, and which should 75%

uh for 100 years effective tax year 127.

And I didn't know anything about it. um

I don't have a copy of the agreement. Um

I zero communication and so that opened

up error because I would have abaded it

um and then that would have just been

bad because then I would have to call

back money and I don't I don't want to

do that. I take pride in um you know

what I do with these agreements and a

used to be pretty cut and dry

maintaining but it's getting a little

bit more complex. Um and so

>> where's that I don't even know who that

is. Uh Jefferson Industries out it's out

on 29. Okay.

>> Um yeah. So it's it's

>> it's an account.

>> It's an account. Correct. Um and so with

the BC, she had said, you know, she had

a resolution that was um signed. I don't

have a copy. I don't have anything. So I

can't even say that she was right or

wrong. Um and so

I have implemented this, right? I picked

it up. I put it on and it's incorrect.

Luckily, I have time to fix it before

the tax bills go out for 1127.

Um, and so this alone was concerning to

me. And so I I wanted to approach you

guys to kind of um just talk about

communication is is huge when it comes

to

I know economic, you know, development

obviously is a, you know, savannah being

the director. Um, But I I we're just

like over here, you know, nobody thinks

about the auditor's office and what it

really there's so much that goes into

it.

>> So there's information that you need

that you don't have, right? So So

wouldn't it be uh we've done this in the

past with other things like you know

have a uh we did that with uh tax map,

right? We had a list of

we did something

from 1 to 10. This is what you got to do

to get there, right?

>> Yes, that's yes, that's one question.

So,

>> so you know what you need. Can you come

up with that and then say, "Hey, you

know what?

>> This is what we need and and so we can

get you done appropriately."

>> I don't know if you would need

resolutions from the commissioners or

from the village.

That's why

if it's a county one or whatever,

>> but this is a requirement that you have.

So, whoever it is has to do that in

order for you guys to process it

correctly.

>> Right.

>> We just need to get it to in the hands

of the right people who are going to be

sitting at the table.

>> So, if it's London, then you send it to

London, say, "This is what we need." If

it's, you know, that that's where I'm

at. We did something similar. Was it

zoning? What What did we do? We had a uh

I don't even know the word to use. Um

>> a flowchart.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But we did something else

way back. But maybe that's what you

need. Hey, one, two, three, four, five.

>> Speak to you guys about to let you know

like we're hoping to kind of implement

something that you put when it comes to

that. Um because when we have these

projects, we make sure they're set up

correctly from the otherwise it's a big

mess. But we have, you know, several

large subdivisions coming in that are

all, you know, have blanket agreements

on those.

>> And I know you're getting stuff that,

you know, the countyy's growing, so

you're going to get more. Is there

>> anything that

uh classes or whatever where you could

be more educated? I mean, Columbus is

dealing with it, you know.

>> Absolutely.

>> So, how they dealing with it? we need to

start dealing with it too. So again,

>> we just spoke with and we saw it too

late um and the economic 101 or whatever

else and unfortunately it was too late

for me. But um I'm Jenn and I have

discussed before like I'm always open to

um especially as the county is growing

and I want to know from start to finish.

on that even though it's not my duty,

right? Um I would like to know from

start to finish because that's the only

way that I can wrap my head around

everybody's duties and it and I can

fully understand.

um prior to um Dave leaving when we had

discussed and I had mentioned it to

Savannah when she first came in was um

if we could just even be at the table

not to say yay or nay not to just so we

know it's coming um because I'm finding

that 250 page agreement comes in it's

handed to me and then I have to put on a

legal counsel hat and and try to sipher

through it and that's really where a lot

of errors happen and I I don't want

that. So obviously an implementation

type forward sure is something that um I

you know we discussed you know prior to

this um

>> and if you get something together I'm

sure we can send it out to everybody

that's involved.

>> Yes. I think part of the problem a lot

of this is in cities and villages which

we don't control we all these are in you

mentioned mayor Missouri reserve that's

plain city gateway that's London you

mentioned JSC that's the village of West

Jefferson so all of these are in

jurisdiction that we don't have control

over

>> correct correct um it's just I was just

kind of giving you you know obviously

>> and my recommendation would be for

Savannah to play a role in communicating

with the with the cities with the

villages and making sure you're getting

that information because she's is going

to be the point of contact is going to

help negotiate those agreements, going

to see those agreements. Those are going

to come across her desk. So, really,

she's going to be the point of the

contact for the county uh to make sure

that we have those documents and then

she can also help to make sure that

you're getting them. Yes.

>> Or at least you're in contact with the

people

>> with someone

>> with someone at WestJap or London or the

village of Plane City to make sure

you're getting the information that you

need.

>> Yeah. and even the developer. I mean,

there's zero contacts, you know, when

when everything was handed to you, they

run into contacts because it's pretty

cut and dry for the most part with the

existing. Um, but now it's like I don't

even know who to call. Um, I did speak

with Savannah at one point because I

needed some stuff from from the city of

London for London Gateway. Um, and it

was I would go to one first. I go to the

um the law director, the law to the

mayor. The mayor went to the legal

counsel. They got back with the law

director. Law director got back to me

and I'm like, "This would be so much

easier if we could just cut this out."

Um, and so I had spoke with her prior um

to say, "Hey, can you help me with

this?" And she kind of said, "We I only

deal with the county stuff,

municipalities. You're going to have to

kind of do that." Which I don't have a

problem with, but I don't know.

I don't want to overset either, right?

Like I I don't want

>> I don't want to step onto those or

overstep or do something that,

>> you know, we're we're just trying to get

the information. We need to, you know,

put these agreements in place. So try to

handle them. It's too crazy. So

maybe

seven districts.

>> Yeah. I think we also wanted to talk

about the permits.

Yeah.

So,

>> yeah,

>> we just had so much new construction

going on and we had not received any

permit information since January.

>> Prior to January,

>> prior to January

and then just recently we got from

January through June, you know, so um

we're just we'd like to get information

if we could, you know, on more on a

regular basis so that we can enter what

we need.

um in our real estate system, but um

it's I know it's been a problem on and

off

um just getting out of a backlog all at

once

unless you

uh permitting plays a huge part. You

know, obviously even in online dose

scenarios, especially with residential

properties with commercial,

>> would it be worth it if you guys visited

them on their when they have their

meetings so you can

say, "Hey,

>> the village,

>> the villages, you know, whatever." Just

maybe go on the council meetings and

say, "Hey, you know, we need,

>> you know, and and you know, if you want

us to process it, you want us to process

it in a timely manner. This is what we

need. Here's here's what you do. Give

them something so they at least have

something to follow." So, you got to be

more because we like like Chris said, we

don't catch all of them.

>> Yeah. Well, I think they're just

swamped.

Is it the you're saying permits from the

building department? They're just kind

of releasing them in large batches at

once as opposed to giving them

incrementally,

>> right? And I can get that and that I

mean I'm not sure if you're well it was

a county 29 building. Um we had to fall

back on that because we hadn't picked it

up and the building had been sitting

there for a year and now two years. Um

they and the trustees had pointed it

out. We didn't have

we didn't have a permit.

>> And so we don't have permit and we

can't, you know, and that's how we're

losing money even with revenue in

general. It's even if it didn't have a

tip for a CR on it. Um and so we can't

pick up new moon construction unless we

have a permit. We can't send out our

listers unless we have an um and I'm

finding I'm getting a certificate of

occupancies

and not having a permit.

So those are coming which we flag it

just with the certificate of occupancy

you know but um there's there's a delay

to be added as a system like from

notification standpoint

maybe

something there might be an easier way

audience office

>> yeah we asked them and

should

They were changing systems at the time

and it wasn't very easy.

>> I think they've updated the system. So,

I I'll talk to Rob about that. Am I

communicates with the building

department somewhat frequently? So, I'll

I'll bring that up to him when he gets

back to see if we can improve that

process so they're not releasing them

all at once in large batches.

But other than that, I mean

implementation package, you and I were

kind of on the same page kind of what I

was trying to approach you guys to say.

It

>> shouldn't be that hard.

>> Yeah. It's just getting people to do it

>> and so

>> I don't think people know what they

think. I don't think there's a not

giving it to you at least on county side

just

>> no they don't know and so but before it

was easy you know just like one building

one agreement and so but I they don't

it's they're getting more complex so if

there's a compensation agreement

included I need to know and I need to

know how to implement that and then that

would be kind of like an asset summary

that comes with it to say um but moving

forward this is kind of what I love to

do was everybody be on the same page.

Everybody knows everybody's duties. Um

it's not just a here you go and I'll get

it done in a day. It's it's time

consuming. And so um but I again I like

to know from start to finish on

everything. So um

just want to catch it. It's crazy.

So other than that was not

>> you guys. Yeah, thanks for bringing that

to our attention and I'll talk with SA

as well. A lot of times, especially for

West and London and I know she helps

them, you know, their economic

development. So, she can be a good point

of contact there been less involved in

in Plank City.

>> Yeah,

>> because they have a large economic

development staff, planning staff of

their own,

>> but at least with WestJet and London, it

makes play a role better so you may be

able to help you guys get in hold of the

right people to get the information you

need.

So,

one other thing that I wanted to ask

like if if it is a county um for I think

you do a resolution for things like

that. If it's a county agreement, um do

they have to give an agreement to you

guys before it's signed like an

ordinance of sorts um before it's signed

for you guys to review it when it comes

to accounting stuff or is that a sub

question? Yes. Everything goes to them

to review before they agree to review.

Okay.

That's kind of what one of those things

I'm going to put for the new to like

maybe 30 days prior not to approve or

deny it, but to even see if our system

can manage what they're asking for um

again within the complex setup.

Very good. Okay. Good. Thanks for coming

in. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Ladies and gentlemen,

>> oh no.

>> Um, the farmland preservation program.

We applied for NRCS funding round two

and it looks like all the farms that we

applied are going to get into the

programs. So now we just need to meet

with Abby from NRCS and ODA because we

have a couple of farms that are already

in the program and uh but ODA also

applied to this program. So we just need

to kind of get on the same page to see

what's best for the process. So then

we'll figure out who's if they're going

to be signing under our agreement, are

we signing on to their agreement? And of

course with the government it's always

hurry up and wait. So it took some time

and now like okay we're going to quickly

have a meeting and make a decision and

hopefully pretty soon we'll have some

will probably we'll get the decision

made and then months will go by and

you'll have an agreement to be signed.

So hopefully that'll happen

and um just those thoughts today with

the presentation you know we have the

farm preservation planning process

that's going to kick off when the zoning

gets adopted. Um, one of the components

of that plan is a water quality

component. And I think ideally with this

group, if people can have some really

good conversations that once the plan is

done, this group doesn't just disappear.

This could be a task force that kind of

helps from an agricultural perspective,

keep that conversation going and keep

talking about things that we could

implement to protect that resource. So

like like for learning maybe not having

the plan sit on the shelf but having a

cheerleader for that plan that's okay we

can take it to the next phase whatever

that might be

good appreciate that up.

Anything else

move

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try to sneak it in there.

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all the time.