City of London City Council · 2026-01-15

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London City Council Meeting 1/15/2026

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>> I'm going to call the meeting to order.

If everyone could please stand for the

pledge of allegiance and a moment of

silence or reflection, please.

I aliance to the flag of the United

States of America and to the republic

for which it stands. One nation under

God, indivisible, with liberty and

justice for all.

Thank you. Could we have a roll call,

please?

>> Councilman Eids

>> here.

>> Councilwoman Jackman

>> here.

>> Councilman Hayes

>> here.

>> President Peters

>> here.

>> Councilman hit

>> here.

>> Councilwoman Trainer

>> present.

>> Councilman

Boyd

>> here. Councilman Stall

>> present.

>> Okay. For the meeting minutes from

January 5th meeting, um

Chris uh sent those out this evening. If

you could take a look at those and see

if there's any uh corrections or

concerns and then we'll uh approve those

next meeting.

Uh there are no public hearings um

communication announcements. We do have

the city administration appointments and

reappointments.

Did everybody get a chance to look at

those appointments?

Any uh questions or concerns?

Okay. All in favor of approving those

appointments and reappointments?

>> I

>> I

>> oppose. Same sign.

On to audience concerns. Um,

we have Kevin Crosley. If you could uh

state your name and address for the

record, please.

I can't see him.

>> Kevin Crosley Kevin Crosley 1044way.

Concerns sanitation. I know there's a

lot of misconception people are posting

the fact that people want to say that we

charge for a lid being open. That is not

true. Originally, I heard that that was

something that when the first went to

this, that was BPU had stated that if

the lids weren't shut, you would be

charged. But I've been here two years,

not charged. I have not seen anybody

charge for a lid being open on their

trash can. The only thing people get

charged for is if it's sitting outside

the trash can on the ground. And the

misconception is when it says bulk

pickup, a lot of people assume they put

furniture, couches, chairs out. That's

just how Mid Ohio puts it on the bill as

a bulk pickup. So it could be one bag,

it could be five bags with a minimum of

one yard being charged. So that's where

a lot of this misconception comes from.

But absolutely not. Are we charging

residents if their lid is open? What

happens if the wind blows blows the lid

open? Do we charge you for it? No. So, I

just that's all I wanted to state is

that from us in the sanitation

department, we do not charge for lids

being open. That's all I have.

>> All right. Thank you.

On to committee reports. Greg

The personnel, budget, and finance

committee met on the 13th.

A couple things to run by everyone.

We'll just use for the year. The overall

revenue for the year was $23,821,696

and change. That includes $4.2 $2

million uh for uh the police building.

The loan that was put into the revenue,

the expenses were $21,455,

$277,

rounding that

tax department.

For the year on the general fund taxes,

we were down 1.41%

total for the year. And for the fire

department it was uh 0.13%

so pretty close to what it was but down

slightly for the year. We had a number

of items that came up. Most of these I

think all of these are going to go

before uh council tonight on new

business including donations that were

made or made for the police and fire the

cash flow transfers which are pretty

normal. some training funds that need to

be reappropriated

and um we might hear some more about the

police building updates that was brought

up. I don't know if Mr. Salsman may

discuss that later, but I believe that's

just about everything that came up in

the uh new business. Thank you.

>> Thank you, Lisa.

I attended the public service committee

meeting also on Tuesday the 13th and I

have the street department report from

that meeting. Um as usual the street

department was very busy doing lots of

jobs all around town. Um a few notable

things they did. They again had to work

on a couple of the trash trucks, trash

departments. Um met more than once with

the boring companies. um replaced some

street signs, had to report some lights

that were out to Ohio Edison. They did

take down the Christmas lights, changed

the lights um at the schools since they

were off for break, patched some

potholes,

changed a couple of traffic lights. Um

they did salt and plow and ordered more

salt with all the snow that we've had.

hauled some scrap, um, fixed some

potholes,

and let me see, cleaned a ditch, cut

ornamental grass at Triangle Park, put

some blocks around the hope box at Mary

Park,

and

let me see, they did remove a beaver dam

at the bridge at the old landfill.

Um, picked up some yard waste,

and they were very busy. That's all that

I have.

>> Thank you. Rich

>> had public safety meeting January 13th.

Called meeting at order 6 p.m. All my

committee members were present. We

approved the minutes of the December

9th, 2025 meeting uh 30.

Um Chief Ease gave his report fire EMS

and Mr. Hit will give that report

momentarily.

Chief Nickel was there, gave his police

report. Uh, Mr. Stall will give that to

council here momentarily.

Uh, safety service director had no new

business for us. We had no new business.

We had no old business and there was no

public comment. Uh, we adjourned at

6:15. Next public safety meeting will be

on February the 10th, 6 pm.

>> Thank you, Andy. I

>> attended the

I attended the public safety meeting and

I'll give the uh fire department's

report. Uh they had EMT refresher

training. They had new part- timerr

orientation training. They had several

students for ride time from tolls and

grant paramedic class. They completed a

toy drive festivities and they assisted

with women's federation with furniture

moving from the candy sale.

And as of the end of the year 2024,

there was 2460 incidences, which came

out to an average of 6.7

uh incidences per day. And in 2025, they

had 276 incidents, which came out to an

average of 7.2

uh runs per day. And so far to this

point this year, they've had 102

incidences, which is 7.8 eight runs per

day.

Uh and then I also attended the public

service committee meeting

and um

uh there will be legislation coming up

at the next meeting regarding vacating

an alley.

Uh we also talked about uh sidewalk

ramps and possible grants to complete

all those ramps throughout the city.

Uh we also talked about the storm sewer

issues

uh and how repairs are done for that.

Uh that was about it. The next meeting

is February 10th at 5:00 in the meeting

room next door for um service committee.

That's it.

>> Thank you Shannon.

>> Uh just one push to talk right u just

one question. And I don't, Greg, I don't

see those agenda items.

>> Okay,

>> that's actually probably the next

meeting, not tonight. Yeah, they'll be

on the next agenda, I'm sure.

>> So, yeah, all old business for tonight.

>> And also, I also neglected to say that

we're going to meet on the 10th, also at

6:30 p.m.

>> All right. Thank you, Tommy.

>> All right. Got to attend the parks and

recreation committee, Board of Zoning

Appeals, Public Service Committee,

Public Safety Committee, and Finance

Committee. So, it's been a busy last

week and a half. Uh, parks and

recreation is what I'm going to be going

over. And so, at this committee, we

discussed that recreational basketball

has about two more weekends left in

their regular season. Tournament games

are starting Monday 119 and wrap up

championship games on Sunday 125.

Spring volleyball registration is live

on Civic Plus catalog. So, get a account

set up there and that way you can

register all your kids stuff right on

through the online site. We also

discussed the pool prices and possibly

looking into seeing if there's any

changes we would maybe like to make to

help cover the last of pool fees.

In this case, last year looking at it,

we had about 7,000 people attending. And

so with being only about $12,000 short

on actually covering funds for that, an

extra dollar to increase would actually

do really well. Um we are looking into

resident versus non-resident rates and

seeing if maybe we can look into adding

that down the road. That's all.

>> Thank you, John.

>> I attended the service, safety, and

finance committees and I have a report

for the public safety committee briefing

on January 13th. Building construction

is progressing with wallboard insulation

panels and detention. Siding roofing is

in progress with all roof trestles

completed expected to be completed by

the middle of June. LPD participated in

the annual operation Santa sleigh in

Columbus at Nationwide's Children's

Hospital. We are in the process of

selecting applicants for open police

officer positions and continue to

solicit lateral entry officers.

Detective Greg Perkins will be retiring

in February after 20 years with LPD and

over 29 years in law enforcement. The

funding for a completed cruiser package

was used to buy a Ford PIU. However, we

are waiting for an upfitting as the

original completed cruiser was sold

prior to funding being available. We had

three officers on restricted duty due to

various health conditions. So, the

hiring of a second administrative

support position is being held for

consideration later in the year.

LPD conducted the annual shop with a cop

serving a total of 28 children. LPD

handled 8,765

calls in service in 2025, a 22% increase

over 2024. Officers filed 1,463 incident

reports, a 6.7%

increase. There were 234 criminal

charges filed, 896 traffic offenses.

division also handles handled 52 injury

crashes and 182 property damage crashes.

There were 73 OVI

and the officers completed 2,758

traffic stops with 1,593

or 58% of those resulting in traffic

warnings. That's all I have. Thank you.

>> Thank you. On to city official reports.

Matt,

>> thank you, sir. Appreciate everyone

coming out tonight. Um, just a reminder

that I will be giving the state of the

city address at the next city council

meeting on February 5th. I look forward

to talking about all the great things

that we've been able to accomplish and

uh some of the plans that we have for

2026 and into the future. I did speak

before about business view magazine had

published or about the article and they

have published that article in London.

Um, the article is named Growing with

Purpose, which talks about balancing

growth, infrastructure, and keeping that

small town charm. I'm excited to

highlight all the great things going on

in London and the teamwork taking place

to make it happen. So, you can find that

on businessview magazine.com.

The construction of the new police

department, as Councilman Stall said,

it's moving along pretty well. The

trusses have gone up. The exterior is

being covered, and it's really starting

to take shape. So, they will continue to

work hard as they complete the exterior

so they can move to the interior. And as

he said, we are on schedule to complete

the construction in June.

Um, I've been able to get out in the

community a little bit for some

outreach. One thing I was able to do

recently is teach Junior Achievements to

Miss King's kindergarten class at London

Elementary. And if anyone's ever taught

junior achievement, teaching

kindergarten is uh uh quite the good

time. So this was a wonderful class

though with a lot of bright young minds

and as you know I pride myself on being

active in the community and because the

responsibility of a mayor is the

community outreach and just showing up

and staying engaged with all the

residents of all ages.

Since the last city council meeting

there has been a few meetings take

place. The parks and recck commission

met and they are looking at the current

price to enter the pool possibly an

increase. The board of zoning appeals

met and heard one case for the Buckeye

Community School. Uh they had a prior

application for a conditional use permit

filed uh 62524

on behalf of Buckeye School.

It was uh approved for the conditional

use permit and it was granted the whole

building for educational purposes. On

December 11th, 2025, a modification of

the plan for the building was filed. the

details.

This details a list of uses that would

otherwise be permitted in the district.

However, since the entire building has a

conditional use permit, it needed to be

modified. So, that case was heard and

was passed. Their plans are to add

possibly a doctor's office, a salon, and

a greenhouse area. The planning

commission meeting for this last week

was cancelled due to no cases on the

agenda.

We are continuing to get training on

city logic software for the sidewalk

grading and actually our next training

is tomorrow. So once we finish all of

our training, we'll be able to present

the information on the sidewalks to

everyone. I do look forward to

furthering the conversations with city

council on how we will move forward with

the repairs after that is presented. Now

on to the fun fact which is the number

32. That is actually the number of

weddings I performed in 2026.

As mayor of the county seat, I have the

ability to perform wedding ceremonies

within the county. So that takes a total

number of weddings I've performed as

mayor since 2017 to 289.

Kind of a funny number. So I just

thought that was kind of cool. I

appreciate you guys and thank you for

your time. All

right, Steve, you have

>> Yeah, really the only thing else I have

to offer um you know, everybody else hit

on the meetings and that is I did attend

civil service meeting yesterday. Um they

exhausted the current or the the former

uh civil service list for uh police

officer. They had offered a conditional

offered employment to one officer. We

anticipate him going to the training

academy in March. Um as you heard with

the shortages, we're still addressing

the other that list expired. They did

certify a new list and I know the police

have been interviewing off that. So, we

hope to make uh hopefully see uh uh a

few additional officers

potentially pick from that to to bring

our our staff back up.

>> That's it.

>> All right, Kenna.

>> I have nothing.

>> Nothing.

>> All right.

>> I have a question.

>> Pardon me.

Raquel, our our law director, good to

see you here. Thanks for coming. Um, I

know you were in originally intended to

come for a different reason, but one of

the questions that I had asked you the

other day was about solicitors

doortodoor and I didn't know if you had

a chance to look into that or you could

give us any further. I know a lot of

people complain about as many people

knocking on the doors right now,

especially from the electric companies

and the aggregators that are trying to

get uh people to switch over. Do you

have can you give us any further

information about that at this time?

>> Not at this time. No. I I'll need a

little bit more time to look into it.

Um, it's on my list, but I don't have an

answer for that yet.

>> Okay. Thank you for that, Mr. Mayor. I I

appreciate your uh comments tonight. You

added a lot of new information, and I'm

glad that we uh got to hear. So, it also

I'd also like it with those uh those

reports from the other company or the

other committees. That'd be great if

that was also emailed us because that

was a lot of good information. Thank

you.

>> You're welcome.

>> Okay. On to old business. Up for a

fourth reading. Resolution 190-25. Can I

get a motion to read by title number?

>> So moved.

>> Second.

>> Resolution 190-25 sponsored by Andrew

Hit and Lisa Jackman. A resolution

authorizing the safety service director

to advertise for bids for the sanitation

department services.

So this is uh would allow the safety

service director to put out bids for

privatization of the sanitation

services provided to the city.

Any questions on this?

What are council's wishes?

>> Move to adopt.

>> I'll second.

>> Councilman Stall.

>> Yes.

>> Councilwoman Jackman.

>> Yes.

>> Councilman hit.

Yes.

>> Councilwoman Trainer.

>> Yes.

>> Councilman Hayes.

>> Yes.

>> Councilman Boyd.

>> No. So, this is for us adopting to go

with Rumpky and or put out bid for it.

>> Speak in the

>> speak in the microphone, please.

>> Oh, sorry. That was off. Uh, so are we

not going to read through the others at

all first or are we just going to go

with this one because officially if we

were to pass this one, we're not even

going to look into the rate increase

then. Do I have that?

>> Can Can I address something? So there's

been a lot of misinformation that point

there. Exactly. Going with Rumpky. That

is not what this is. So, and I think it

needs to be clear. It sounds like what

this one has to verify would be to

privatize, to advertise, to have a

private company come in and take over

our entire services. So, it's not Runky

or any other person. It's anybody that's

qualified when we write those

specifications. They would come in and

they would take over all of our

services. We would eliminate the current

sanitation. Is that correct? That's the

one,

>> right? The other the other one is that

we maintain our services as are with our

city employees. And then the third part

is to increase that rate. So the current

one 19025 would be to advertise for bids

to bring in private companies to take

over our entire sanitation, the trash

collection, all that.

>> All right. And so I was kind of hoping

that we might have some discussion on

yes, our sanitation and adjusting the

rates before maybe coming back to these.

But I guess am I able to still discuss

this now or

>> there's not I don't think there's

supposed to be any discussion between

votes.

>> Yeah, let's finish the votes and then we

can uh

>> No, Councilman.

>> Yes.

Thank you.

>> Now, with these

straight

>> this put advertised for bids, we we

don't have to accept these bids.

>> Well, you ethically you have to put it

out with the intent to accept it. And

and I I will say I've had this

discussion is if I will not put a bid

out, I will not put my name behind a bid

that we don't intend to accept. The

exception would be if we haven't

anticipated what it is and that bid

would come in five times higher and we

had the right to do it. and I would lean

to my law director, but I think you have

to have the intent to ethically put it

out. It's just like the conversation we

had about, hey, let's just ask what it

is. A company is not going to tell you

what they're going to bid because this

company knows and they and they beat

them. It's not competitive if they know

what the other person's going to bid.

>> It's just it's a I'm sorry,

>> but it's a it's a good faith proposal

basically. You know, you're you're not

gonna

That's fine. Okay. Uh sorry. Um yes, it

is bas any just like any other proposal

has to be profered in good faith. You

can't just put a fictitious bid out

there or have something that's un with

unreasonable expectations. It has to be

based on real time um needs, real time

services to it to address those needs.

um with obviously the intent to satisfy

the the terms of the you know the offer

when it if it should be accepted on the

other side

>> Mr. President.

>> Yes.

>> If that were the case then then we've

either done it wrong for a long time or

this needs to be changed because this

only says to advertise for bids not to

accept. In the past we've had advertise

and accept bids. Can I ask why we would

bid when we don't like this? This

discussion's happened a number of times.

I don't understand why we would put it

to bid without the intent to do exactly

what council person trainer said. Why

would we put a bid out that we don't

intend to accept if I'm competing with

your insurance company? Were you going

to give that somebody else your

competitor your rates? That's ridiculous

>> to get a

>> like we've had this discussion like so

this is infuriating from the sense of we

have a number of city employees here

that are looking at their future. These

questions should have come up at the

meeting Tuesday. This is unacceptable

that we're having this kind of question,

that we're still willing to put that out

there, that we're fishing for for

amounts.

Unacceptable.

And that's where I'd say that the

amounts that are put out there with the

comparison of Plain City with their $21

for a 4,400

civilian city makes it tough to say

that, hey, this is going to be any lower

than what ours is currently or is going

to be. The larger one that I've heard a

good amount of feedback for is $100 for

three months with Rumkey. And so that

puts you at a $33 bill. That's $4 higher

still than what we're going to raise

ours to.

So, you know, there's lots of that, but

I would say that yes, it's usual for

these businesses to give out these bids

or quotes to kind of give that

competition or say, "Hey, this is what

your city or business is looking into.

We provide that service for you." And

that's why they would give a quote.

>> They would give a quote. They're not

giving a quote. So, I'm going to I'm

going to back up to my conversation, the

meeting the other night. So, the the

last meeting was brought forward from

Councilman Eids of Mr. Boyd wanting to

do a study. I got a call and this is why

and I said the last two meetings I will

not do that. I'm not doing that study

because Mr. Boyd contacted Rumpky trying

to get that information implying he was

an employee or an aid to city council

which is false.

>> That's not it. I wouldn't do it. Mr. Mr.

Roupert from Rumpkey called me and said

we can't do that. We're not going to

give that. It's not a common practice.

They're not going to give an amount.

They will glad to give other quotes

which the mayor got in public

information from Plane City of what

their two vendors are. So he'll be glad

to provide what he's provided to other

public entities because that's required

by law. It's public information. So you

can make a comparison. All right? It's

we're not comparing us to Plane City.

We're comparing the services they

offered and that is a a light comparison

that we can look and say, "Hey, this is

what they charge them. It's a best

guess." So if we're looking at that

price and they come in three times that

amount, yes, I think then we have a

right under good faith. We can it's not

anywhere close to what we thought it was

going to be. We could reject it. or they

couldn't meet our minimum standards, we

can reject it, but they're not going to

give us a price. I had a specific

conversation with the representative

from and and the Rumpky is because he's

our rep on what we do currently on the

transfer station. That's why I've talked

to Rumpy.

>> All right.

>> I don't think you'll find anybody that's

going to tell you what they're going to

bid because anybody else out there could

bring that beat that bid by a dollar and

win it. That takes away the competition.

So yeah, it just kind of sounds like 21

is kind of the price we're given. But

there really is no guarantee though to

what the price will be. That's the main

part that I think we should be able to

look into is that there is no guarantee

>> that doesn't come with guarantees. But

this number that we have to keep our

employees to offer a Saturday drop off

for the citizens of this city that have

asked for that that we do have the

opportunity to offer and we aren't even

discussing it before passing this. And

so Councilman

Mr. Peter sat quiet for about 30 seconds

and said, "Is there any discussion?" And

no one said a word. And then he said, he

gave it about 20 to 30 seconds. No one

ever spoke. Then he said, "What are

council's wishes?" It was quiet for

another 15 seconds and nobody spoke. And

then somebody said, "I'll move to

adopt." So saying you you didn't have an

opportunity to speak about it. You had

plenty of opportunity to speak about it

and you didn't say anything.

>> Well, that would be me speaking about

1922

instead of 19025.

And so I wasn't sure on that.

Unfortunately, if I was able to discuss

1 1925

during 1 190's reading. So my apologies

on that confusion there. But that is

where that came from that. Yes, I was

saving my comments for the reading of

ordinance 1922.

So um

do we want to anything else?

>> All right. Well then on we go.

>> Okay. Resolution 190-25 has passed. On

to resolution 191-25.

Okay. Get a motion to read by title

number.

>> So moved. Second.

>> Resolution 191-25

sponsored by Andy Hit and Lisa Jax

Jackman.

A resolution authorizing the safety

service director to advertise for bids

for trash hauling services.

So this is to put out bids for trash

hauling. Is this something that we need

to

do in the meantime until bids go out or

it still needs to be put in place?

>> I I I've extended. So this one is to

continue services out is I would bid for

the transfer station and I've got an

extension through I believe July. I can

extend it further if we had to. So, I

guess if I may freely speak is with the

passing of last res resolution, you just

eliminated this. You can't do both. So,

you you just voted to privatize. I don't

need uh an extension of this. I can

extend on my

>> So, since it's on the agenda, I guess we

need to make a vote on it.

>> That's not correct.

>> I don't think we voted to privatize.

>> They seem to be all right.

I think we voted to I I think we voted

to to advertise for bids and you had

said during your part of the

conversation was if the bids came in

three times higher, we could reject

those. But if we're voting to privatize

the way you just said, then it doesn't

matter what the bids are, we're going to

accept whatever you deem to be the best,

even if it's three times higher. I I

guess what I'm saying ethically, and I

don't know if I'm using the right word,

you I can't put out a bid to to do

privatization and at the same time put

out a bid to run the transfer station.

If we privatize, that company's going to

run it all. I don't need a transfer

station. So, I'm I'm doing both and

you're making it look like, well, we'll

decide which one we're taking. So, I I

will put it is we can ask for a legal

opinion, but I don't think that's

ethical and I don't think that's the

right way to do it. We can't. You're

asking a company to say, "Here's what

we're going to charge and we'll decide."

Now, again, if they're out of the realm,

I think we have the right to refuse it.

But, as Shannon said, the the legal

part, you have to have the intent to to

a legitimate offer to accept that. So,

if they come back and it was $80 a

month, yeah, we probably have a right to

refuse that. But,

>> yes, this is, you know, contract law

101. You put out an an offer. or if that

offer is accepted and it meets the uh

conditions of the offer and all of you

know the the standards and comes within

the the dollar amount of expectation

then you've got a contract. So

>> Mr. President, when when this was first

presented it was presented as this was

going to be an eitheror.

I I do believe so. Either we would

privatize and that decision would be

made after the bids or or we would raise

our rates and since we already took care

of 190 25 that's how I believe that was

presented to council to begin with.

>> So if we privatize we don't be able to

raise our rates. We we set the rate

based upon that. So the second part of

the eitheror is if we're not going to

privatize then we have to continue

operations. I have to have a contract to

do the transfer stations we currently

are and then the third

192 would be to raise the rates so that

we can continue the operation. So that

would be an e either or but you passed

resolution 19025 saying we're going to

privatize.

I I don't know how we pass resolution

191 if we're going to privatize.

I mean, you put them all up, so it's all

there. We're not starting over and do

another three months of, you know, we if

they decided not to privatize, now we

got to start over to raise the fees. My

understanding is that's why we did that.

So, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

>> Yeah. So, passing resolution 190-25.

Yeah. 191

and 192. Just just to clarify, when

these pieces of legislation came out of

committee and came to the law director's

office to draft the legislation itself,

it was relayed to my office and it that

it was the intention to either pass 190

or pass 191 and 92 192 in conjunction.

Pass 190 or 192 and 192 in conjunction.

That was my understanding as well how it

came to my office and the way that they

were drafted.

>> I think since they've been read multiple

times, don't we we still have to vote on

those?

Even though they don't really apply.

>> I think that's

>> we still have to vote.

>> We'd have to vote them down.

>> We have to vote.

>> Okay. So,

we're on 1912. I make a motion to adopt.

>> I'll second.

Councilwoman Trainer,

>> no.

>> Councilman Hit,

>> no.

>> Councilman Hayes,

>> no.

>> Councilman Stall,

>> no.

>> Councilman Boyd,

>> yes.

>> Councilwoman Jackman,

>> no.

>> Councilman Eids,

>> yes.

Okay. Resolution 191-25 has failed.

On to ordinance 192-25. Can I get a

motion to read by title number?

>> Some moved.

>> Second.

>> Ordinance 192-25 sponsored by Andy Hit

and Lisa Jackman. An ordinance adjusting

the rate of sanitation department

services.

So, this is basically the same deal

since we passed 19025, but this has been

on the agenda multiple times and read

multiple times. We would still need to

make a vote on this. So, I make a motion

to adopt.

>> Can I discuss?

>> Sorry.

>> Yeah. Before vote. Yes.

>> Thank you. Um, so yeah, it was nice. I

at least got to reach out to our

sanitation department some more with

Yes. last meeting being kind of my first

time on in here on that Monday and one

that came up with the return of the

Saturday hours. You know, that was a big

one that we would have been able to

offer as a city that you're not going to

get from these other companies. Uh the

big part of it was that that wasn't even

something that was just for the

citizens. That was a big day that our

department used for the maintenance of

our vehicles. So the fact that we

haven't really been taking care of that

and offering that, we were slightly

diminishing our own departments by

taking this away. And so it was nice to

hear that that could have actually been

offered back to us with the proper

amount of people and employees within

that department. The other questions

were going to be was if the city was

going to place the $60,000 for the

salaries back in the budget for 2026

that we had actually decreased this

year. Uh, I guess that we don't have to

worry about that. However, I do believe

that it shows that, you know, hey, if we

had a $467,000

salary line and we only budgeted for

$47,000,

clearly we could have actually cut down

some of these increases on these rates

that we would have possibly had. But

this is something that I would have

thought somebody would have seen maybe

or kind of marked up before, but it was

nice to kind of actually catch it here.

At this point, there's no real point,

but if anyone had any words on that down

there,

>> when I budgeted for that expense line, I

budgeted for how current staffing has

been. You asked for figures to include

everybody per strength ordinance, and

that's what I gave you. That's why the

figures did not get budgeted for what I

gave you.

>> Oh, good. And that's where I was just

going to ask to kind of, hey, help out

with this also. See if we could have

that just in case. That way we were

given a good push to actually fill our

employees for our department before

going through with this removal of it.

But thank you.

Also, it seemed the citizens said they

wish to actually have kept it rather

than compared to getting rid of it. But

on we go. Thank you. M

Chris, you can do roll call now.

Councilwoman Jackman,

>> no.

>> Councilman Hayes,

>> no.

>> Councilman Boyd,

>> yes.

>> Councilman Stall,

>> no.

>> Councilwoman Trainer,

>> no.

>> Councilman hit.

>> No.

>> Councilman Eids,

>> yes.

Okay. Ordinance 192-25 has failed. On to

new. Mr.

>> President,

before we move on to that, I move to

reconsider 19025.

The resolution 19025.

I second.

Councilman Stall,

>> I want want to hear this again.

>> He wants a motion to reconsider

>> to revote

>> to revote.

>> We're wanting to look into see.

>> Okay. I thought that was I want to make

sure.

>> Yes.

>> Did I hear Yes.

>> Yes.

>> Okay. Councilman Eids?

>> Yes.

>> Councilman Boyd?

No.

>> Councilwoman Jackman.

>> Now this one 19025

>> this

>> this will allow reconsider

allow. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

>> Yep.

>> Yes.

>> Counciloman Boyd. What was your answer?

>> Yes.

>> Councilwoman Jackman.

>> Yes.

>> Councilwoman Trainer.

>> No.

>> Councilman Hayes.

Yes.

>> And Councilman hit.

>> No.

>> What was the count there?

>> Okay.

>> Mr. President, the reason why I asked to

reconsider this is because I don't think

that I understood that this was not an

going to be an eitheror, that this was a

vote to switch um without further ado,

and without further information. Um the

reason why I asked reconsider is I don't

know that anybody else wants to do this,

but I do intend to switch my vote at

this time.

>> Do we make need to make an amendment to

uh accept bid and accept. Is that

required to have that in the language?

>> I I missed the question. I'm sorry.

>> It was a question of uh putting out a

bid and then having to have legislation

saying we would accept. Uh is that a

requirement in the legislation that bid

and accept or if we amend it, we can

amend it to say bid and accept?

The way that it's written I I believe is

sufficient. Um it's the way that our

other legislation for bids is written. A

lot of the pieces of legislation are

pulled from old templates of the same

type of legislation. I believe the bid

could be entered into as written, but I

don't see an issue with amending it to

say put to bid and accept.

>> Ethically, I think um bid just like in

anything else is you have to have an

intention to accept otherwise you don't

place a bid. So, it's, you know, maybe

it wasn't explicitly stated, but um

yeah, no, the the the connotations of

placing out a bid were obviously that

you would have an intent to accept that

same bid.

>> So, yes, I want to be clear. I believe

it's sufficient as written. I don't

think there's any issue with the

amendment to include language to allow

it to be accepted.

>> Okay. What are council's wishes?

Um, I'd like to state that, um, I've

listened to all of the evidence. I've

listened to the pros and the cons

and um,

regarding

that.

>> Um,

>> let me help you. For for me personally,

um,

as much as

I like our sanitation department, as

soon as I learned that it was customary

for the new the new company to um, off

to extend employment to our current

persons, that was my primary concern was

that we weren't going to leave everybody

out in the high and dry. If you want to

make if you want to comment to that,

then

>> yeah, come up here.

>> Let's just

Richard Wiggins, 175 Mound Street. Um,

as an employee,

being brought into the new company would

be great, but let's just say it's

Rumpky. Now I've got to drive to Dayton,

Circleville, Columbus, one of them

places in order for me to have a job.

That's fine during the summer. But we

seen what this winter's been like.

If it comes down to that in the winter

time, I'm stuck. I mean, I've got a

truck, but that doesn't guarantee I'm

going to be able to make it. I

understand you're concerned about us,

but I want you to know when it was

negative 20 degrees windchill factor, we

were still out there picking up the

trash.

No one complained about it.

That that's all.

I agree with him after looking at the

department itself and seeing that the

main fix we're making is for a 10 foot

by one foot long gap that's in their

main maintenance garage there. You know,

I was barely standing out there 10

minutes before I Hey, let's step back

inside seeing the breath. And so these

guys do they push through. They work

hard. And I'll say from my point of

view, it's kind of a hey without

unfortunately a price. I understand the

ethical and legal that we wouldn't want

to do this, but for having the chance to

once again offer hay, the drop off on

weekends for the citizens, being able

to, hey, have that self-control of

watching our price, the $8 price jump

isn't as large as what we might possibly

see. And I'm not in for that bet. And I

hope we can look into that.

I don't think there's any expectation

that an $8 price jump at this juncture

is going to be the end of it. These are

going to be regular repeatable rate

increases in order to address the

massive massive infrastructure um

improvements uh that needs to happen.

It's not only the entire electrical

system. It's the entire if I understand

it's the um the rotor grinding system um

at the at the transfer station. It's

everything about the building that needs

to be completely

um upgraded and and and brought up to

whatever code. I'm not even sure. Um so

and and the issue with the trash trucks

constantly failing. This is not this

initial $8 increase is by no means the

end of it. By no means. No means. And

and this is not only the you know it's

the wear and tear on the employees. is

the wear and tear on the administration

and our um and the the constant worry uh

over you know maintaining these uh

services that we have. There is

absolutely no guarantee that that price

isn't going to jump by an initial 35 to

40% and continue to go up from there.

first of all. Secondarily, if we can

guarantee that our employees are at

least extended the opportunity to have

employment and I understand that very

well may be local

um uh that you know it's it's you'd

obviously have to pass the um the

strictures of the the new employer. Um

but you know we're we're in a situation

where it's not just the wear and tear on

the bodies, the uh the buildings, the

machinery and the mind. um when we have

uh companies that are perfectly capable

and willing to come in and take care of

this and maintain the fees at or below

what we're paying right now without the

without the uh very significant

increases. Um this is this is a

no-brainer.

>> I'd say it's a gamble to say at or below

our prices now. That's my one main

thing. However, we have been seeing this

department ask for assistance and trucks

since 2023. we took on this department

when we gave away the sewer and water

department. We haven't put the increases

into it. We do have the 3% increase

already factored into this for the

yearly increases needed. And I believe

in this sanitation department that

actually said that they say that this is

going to help continue and will cover

the required prices for maintain this

department getting these two trucks at

least and the repairs.

>> Mr. President.

>> Yeah.

>> So, a couple things. I'd asked Mr.

Saltzman the other night. I I feel that

generally council wants to follow um

what the suggestions are and I asked if

he would be willing to make his

suggestion on which way to go and I

don't know if he's willing to do that or

not. However, I just want to be clear

that if if we're making the decision, if

you walked in thinking you want to keep

our our sanitation department, then we

have to fail the first one and pass the

next two if that was your thought. If

your thought was that you want to

privatize, then obviously we keep this

one on and the other two have already

failed. But that's the decision that I

don't know that I understood I had to

make tonight before I walked in. And I

don't know if anybody else knew that

either. And maybe everybody understood

and I just didn't. I don't know but I

just want to clarify that part.

>> Please.

So there there's been a lot of

discussion, right? We've had three

hearings on this. This is the largest

group we've had yet. I've got zero zero

questions from council. Not one other

than your meeting with Mr. Boyd.

Nothing. So tonight and and if I appear

upset, I am. I am ticked off. I'm ticked

off because we're in that question of

what it meant.

At two weeks, I was asked by Mr. Eids

whether or not what my opinion was. I

don't have an opinion. I've been here

two weeks. I was asked it two months. So

now I'm asked again what my opinion.

First of all, that's your decision, not

mine. I I did what I said. I would

present a proposal one way the other.

What I did determine there's no way we

can continue operations without asking

more money. No way. It's not feasible.

It's not. And you're right, that price

is going to continue to up. We can't we

can't give them raises, deal with

equipment raises, and the price

increases without increasing the price.

That's probably why we're in the

situation we are now. Prices are going

to increase. Period. I don't care which

way you look. You I feel like you all

are looking on a way to point it to

somebody else. That's the problem.

That's what I feel. So you asked what

what my opinion I think all of our

employees in the city are worth keeping.

All right, Shannon, you brought up some

very valid things. That's your decisions

you have to make. Is it can is it worth

the money we're asking to put in and the

continued. Now I I can't tell you what

it's going to continue cost. I have no

idea. Today we had another truck go down

and tomorrow I've got to sign a lease or

or rental agreement to have another

truck or we're not picking up commercial

uh dumpsters. Like it's not going to

change. Too many people want to look in

the past and talk about all the other

things. I'm sick and tired of getting

beat up on Facebook by anybody and

nobody has bothered calling. You know,

people want to talk about it. Come sit

down to meeting. Let's sit and have that

discussion. But we come tonight and

nobody understands what we're voting

for. That's terrible. Like that's that's

to me that's where I say it's

unacceptable. So people ask me to do my

job. I've got a lot to do. I've had a

lot to learn and I'm still learning. I

spent yesterday, five hours writing to

get a better idea of what's there. First

time I've had in the five months I've

been here. So I I'm going to tell you

what I said to begin. It's your decision

to make. It's not mine. We have good

people. I do believe that with that

increased money, we can make it work.

But absolutely, there's got to be an

increase. So I think the way the

resolution reads has to be adjusted

anyway because the prices went on

January 1. We're talking about the

add-on on that. Um, and and I can't

promise you that there's not other

issues going to arise. That building

needs repaired. The roof needs repaired.

We need to add things to the wall. If we

keep it, we have to go to Ohio Edison

and get a three-phase put in that we

think's going to be about 175,000. It

could be more, maybe not. We're going to

fix that building one way the other.

Now, timing may be different, but it's

still a piece of city asset we have to

keep. All this is things we've discussed

before. We have to get the trucks. You

know, we need to to get off an $11,000

lease and and purchase a truck to see

what we can buy it for. That's going to

take time. We probably going to need a

second one shortly thereafter. And then

then there's other things have to be

done. But but we keep pushing it and we

want to push it till May or other times.

We can't make a decision. We can't move

forward. I can't change how our clothes

shop or the open shop, the the

dumpsters. None of that could really

happen until we would know what we're

doing. So, it makes no sense that we

push this further down the road, uh, put

out a bid, and then we decide then if

we're going to go to do it the other

way, unless it's completely outrageous.

And I agree, if we got something that

was, you know, $21 is Plain Cities, and

they come back and set it 75 for London,

yeah, I I think in good faith we would

be able to to turn down that bid. But by

keep pushing this out, you're you're

you're not helping the citizens of

London. I think our employees, all of

them are worth it. I do believe with

that amount of money, we can move

forward. Not everybody agrees with me.

There's going to be additional cost and

I can't say that three months from now.

So I I'm not a genie. I can't tell you

what's going to happens.

I I don't know. And you know it's it is

a decision that the voters have put you

in to make that decision.

Good, bad, and different.

Anybody any questions for me?

>> Thank you, Steve.

So, is there a motion to adopt?

>> Motion to adopt.

>> Second,

>> John.

>> Councilman hit.

>> Yes.

>> Councilman Hayes.

>> Yes.

>> Councilman Councilwoman Trainer.

>> Yes.

Councilman Boyd.

>> No.

>> Councilwoman

Jackman,

>> no.

>> Councilman Eids,

>> no.

>> Councilman Stall,

>> yes.

>> Okay. Resolution 190-25 has passed.

Now on to there's no new business. So on

to round table.

>> John,

>> thanks everybody for coming out. It's

very interesting to get all the

different opinions and this is one of

the most contentious things I've ever

seen in all my years here. And uh I

guess we just can't make up our minds.

And I thank everybody for their opinions

and I hope you all do the right thing.

That's Thank you.

Tommy.

>> All right. First off, thank you again to

our sanitation employees especially for

hey going through everything.

That's a it's an unfortunate night. I'll

say we had chance to actually save one

of our departments after we've already

gotten rid of two of them in the last

two years. Here we are again giving away

another one. However, you know, that's

kind of where we're at when things

haven't been managed properly, it seems.

And so, thank you to all the citizens uh

online that, hey, might have chimed in

when we did discuss this. I want to say

it's sad to hear that, you know, does

our voice really matter? Does our

opinion really matter is what I hear.

And I wish I could say it was more of a

yes. You know, unfortunately though, we

don't hear that and we go with something

else that has now eliminated once again

one more of our departments.

That is all

>> Shannon.

>> And I know the dissenting voices out

there on Facebook are the loudest. They

are also routinely the most uninformed.

Um, you know, this is a a hard decision

to make from every aspect and the wear

and tear on the the the powers that be.

It's not just the wear and tear on on

the vehicles and the wear and tear on

the bodies of the people that are um

employing. Like I said, my biggest

concern was to uh once I was assured

that there would be um employment

opportunities offered to the current

department. Um but the wear and tear on

on the the vehicles, I mean, we've had

this these trucks break down. And it

seems like every other week these things

are breaking down. Um you know the the

the problems with the infrastructure and

the transportation and all this other

stuff is just you know years and years

and years of things that are now to a

point of you know it it's do or die or

or move on and and if everybody's going

to complain about well we should be able

to do this for the current prices. No no

that is absolutely out of the question.

Um the price increase right now I think

was a an initial proposal of around 30%.

Um yeah and there's no fe nobody's got a

crystal ball. There are no guarantees in

life but nobody wants to pay more for

services that are being perfectly

capable of being provided um by by a

privatized organization. And it saves

the wear and tear of this constant

constant worry over what to do with the

infrastructure, what to do about the

trash trucks, what to do about the lease

payment. um from everybody in the

administration of of the city. So, I I

apologize to the street department um

but this was a decision that is greater

than, you know, the couple individuals

that work there.

>> Andy,

>> yeah, I want to thank the safety service

director for all the um research he did

on this topic. I do um

feel bad for the employees of the

sanitation department, but hopefully

that could be something that could be

written into the contract with whoever

might take the bid and they could um be

employed in that in the that service or

be transferred to another position

within the city if something was to come

up. Uh, I'd agree with Shannon that it's

fiscally it just seems like this is the

best uh decision in order to have

uninterrupted services or continued

issues with truck breakdowns or um

building breakdowns or whatever might

come up. So, that was kind of the

reasoning for my vote.

And the service committee meeting is

February 10th at 5:00 over in the

meeting room here and safety committee

is at uh 6:00 in the meeting room next

door on February 10th.

>> Rich,

thank you. Um thanks everybody for

coming out tonight. This is a tough one.

Um I want to thank all of our city

employees for the jobs you do for the

city. You do great. You're great

employees. Um, I don't know what we do

without you. Uh, and I'm hoping that our

sanitation employees can either be we

have a street department and they need

people. Uh, maybe we can just laterally

transfer them to the street department

if they would so wish to do that or uh

the new company will pick them up. But

if they want to work for the city, let's

give them a chance to work somewhere in

the city. Um, I want to speak to all the

rumors and the trash that's out there.

That's what it is. It's trash right now

online, on phones, uh, word of mouth.

If you don't know something and you

don't understand something, there's

seven of us up here. We all got phone

numbers on the city site.

Call the damn number and get a hold of

one of us and we'll talk to you.

We're not untouchable, but call, talk to

us, ask us the questions. If we don't

know, we'll find out for you. But at

least, you know, all this stuff that's

going on out here, uh, ex- councsil

members and that have moved and putting

stuff out. Uh, it's just ridiculous. Um,

it's like a Trump syndrome thing going

on here, but it's a London syndrome. and

it needs to stop. We need to work

together. We need to come together. We

need to take care of this city. That's

what we were voted in for. And I'm going

to do my best to do this.

And I hope that everybody else will, and

I'm sure they will. We got a good group

of people up here right now. So, we're

going to be all right. We're growing.

And when you have growth, you have

problems, you have things that come up

that you've not faced before, we got to

get over it. We got to work together.

Got to be a team effort, teamwork. And

uh I just ask Lord God Almighty to watch

over our city, watch over our employees,

watch over our citizens, keep us all

safe and well. And that's all I have.

Thank you.

Lisa,

>> I don't have it.

>> Greg,

>> well, I want to thank everybody for

allowing me to reconsider that vote

because if nothing else, I needed to

vote my conscience and and it wasn't my

conscience to get rid of our sanitation

department. It was my desire to keep

them because I agree with Steve. I think

we could save them. I think they do a

good job. And if if the either or came

to me, it was going to keep them. So, at

least I got to vote that and I thank you

for that. The uh finance committee

meeting will be on February 10th, 6:30

in the building or in the room next

door.

>> Okay. Is there a motion to adjurnn?

>> Motion to adjurnn.

>> We don't have another meeting down to

the fifth amendment.

>> I'm not sure.

>> I think we raised all the rates for

decisions to cover our own prices.

That's

>> we didn't want to pay for something, so

we put it on them.